Pommel Spike - 2005/11/21 17:10I'm just here to clarify the rules, if there are any, on how long a pommel spike, for stabbing, needs to be, say for a Polearm. The rules that are going around here in PRP is that it needs to be a 6 inch attack area on the pommel.
I'm asking if we are right or not. As I don't believe it is in the rulebook. *shakes fist*:ninja:"The authority by which the Christian leader leads is not power but love, not force but example, not coercion but reasoned persuasion. Leaders have power, but power is safe only in the hands of those who humble themselves to serve."
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2005/11/21 20:18two bits that will help...
Strike-Legal: This refers to a portion of the weapon that is at least 2.5 inches in diameter (flat blades require 1.5 inches of foam on a striking surface and may not pass their tip through a 2.25 inch ring) and will not leave marks, bruises, or broken bones when used to hit your opponent. This is the only area of a weapon that counts as a legal blow. Stab-only weapons are still required to have six inches of strike-legal surface on any stabbing end for safety.
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Pole arm: At least five feet in length. Includes spears but may also have slashing edges (minimum 1 foot in length for a striking edge, must have padding on upper 1/3 of length). Considered wooden for purposes of being targeted by spells or affecting monsters.
on almost any weapon you've be correct in that 6 inches is required to make a buttspike a legal striking implement (assuming its intended to only be stab legal). however, polearms (which also includes spears) require at least 12 inches on any striking surface.
something else to bear in mind... many weapons have a maximum length for hte handle and pommel combined (usually max of 1/3 the total weapon length). so remember that if you are making a 6 inch pommel so you cna stab with it, you have to include those 6 inches in your handle length."But right now I'm a little concerned about my pants, since I don't know where they are." - Valathina Nailo
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2005/11/21 21:04The polearm buttspike still sounds off. I can see 6 inches from handle to pommel our polearms are at least 6-7+ feet long. But 12...thats a lot actually...and gets in the way of the holding...I think..."The authority by which the Christian leader leads is not power but love, not force but example, not coercion but reasoned persuasion. Leaders have power, but power is safe only in the hands of those who humble themselves to serve."
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2005/11/27 03:05It's not that difficult. Even I've managed to make one for my buddy Dalamar, once or twice.
I really ought to beat him up and take it back, at some point.Quiet
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2005/11/27 13:34 Strike-Legal: This refers to a portion of the weapon that is at least 2.5 inches in diameter (flat blades require 1.5 inches of foam on a striking surface and may not pass their tip through a 2.25 inch ring) and will not leave marks, bruises, or broken bones when used to hit your opponent. This is the only area of a weapon that counts as a legal blow. Stab-only weapons are still required to have six inches of strike-legal surface on any stabbing end for safety.
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Pole arm: At least five feet in length. Includes spears but may also have slashing edges (minimum 1 foot in length for a striking edge, must have padding on upper 1/3 of length). Considered wooden for purposes of being targeted by spells or affecting monsters.
according to the rules above it still looks like the polearm can have a 6 inch butt spike that ends as the pommel. As the butt spike is stab only. And still the polearm meets all its requirements. As the polearm rules state "may include slashing edges". As mine does on its usual pole strike area. Has a foot and a half of stab/slash strike area. then the rest up to 2/3 of courtesy foam, this 2/3 includes the strike area. then the handle and pommel. Pommel and handle now becoming a stab spike.
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Post edited by: Baine Wolfheart, at: 2005/11/27 13:38"The authority by which the Christian leader leads is not power but love, not force but example, not coercion but reasoned persuasion. Leaders have power, but power is safe only in the hands of those who humble themselves to serve."
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2005/11/30 23:28Baine,
Your interpretation is the one that I had when we were doing the early edits for the rulebook. The minimum of 12 inches was for the striking _edge_, the surface used to slash or bludgeon. A butt spike used to thrust only needs to be 6 inches and have enough padding to be safe (the 2.5 inch diameter, etc...).
I think the rules say what I just stated. Does your reading jive with this Rewth? Quiet?
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2005/12/01 01:39It do jive.Quiet
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2005/12/01 06:37yeah. that jives. upon further reading, i think that was the intention. 6inches for thurst only, 12 inches if its gonna slash."But right now I'm a little concerned about my pants, since I don't know where they are." - Valathina Nailo
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2006/02/24 13:55what about a double-headed axe with a spike on top? can you stab with the spike?I'm the mighty Lion in the thicket who be spying on the wicked- Shabaz the Diciple
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2006/02/24 18:13absolutely."But right now I'm a little concerned about my pants, since I don't know where they are." - Valathina Nailo
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2006/03/03 21:07(Blue Poof) One Question... If I had a Sword that had a pommel spike that is as small as a stab-only legal one can be, and its entire length was in range of an equivelent long sword, would I be able to use it in tournements as a long sword, or would it be considered a different weapon type? (Blue Poof)
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2006/03/06 13:05Honestly, if you're in a position where using a pommel spike on a sword is even reasonable, somebody screwed up bad.
That said, you could probably get in as a long-sword. However, be careful that you're not trying to use it in one of the short sword only tournies (Imperial Crown Quals or Weaponmaster).Superstar, do you think you're what they say you are?
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2006/03/06 15:29eh, you can still use it in open : )Dragoon Strike First. Strike Hard. No Mercy. Hús Vetra Skald IMU
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2006/03/06 22:02Thank you very much... Just a note: I am sort of used to using a pommel as a weapon since I was trained how to fight like "The Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple" so it's something I am used to"As like an evening fog I used to lay among the knotted roots of trees. akin to the woods as they were to me. My brethren were there also; one with the world, neither master nor slave to the earth nor to the others who share our realm..."
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Re:Pommel Spike - 2006/03/06 22:23yer gonna have to explain that one. can't make a statement claiming to have been taught to fight like and order that been gone for 700 years (the masonic philanthropic order not included) and not give us details... particualrly in how that relates to smacking folks with yer pommel.
and while you might know what yer doing with live steel, make suer you take it easy when you first translate things to foam. not everything works the same way, and pommel strikes are a great way to accidentally injure someone."But right now I'm a little concerned about my pants, since I don't know where they are." - Valathina Nailo
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