Claws - 2008/05/26 19:43OK Thank you for all the clarifactions on daggers. Now I have another one. Claws, these are funnooddle gauntlets that are attached to the forearm. They extand out about 1' from the hand but they cover the whole forearm. What is the legality of these in Amtgard and the IM?
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Lokin
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/26 20:10Albeit funny and slightly creative, Punch Weapons are Illegal, you're bound to really hurt someone with those.
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/26 23:35You know i was thinking about this the other day and thought about a reason why these should be made legal. A stab with a pole arm would have way more power behind it than a stab from a "Claw" type weapon. But i do have a solution to your fears of being punched with said weapon. Why not make it have rules similar to a javelin? Why not make it slash legal only? I mean after all a javelin is nothing but a really short polearm with courtesy padding that can be only used as a stab weapon and can also be thrown. A claw weapon can be made safe I think if we take the time to find ways to do it as opposed to just going "Up nope not safe can't use it!" I mean after all any weapon without proper attention can be unsafe in this game. Just my opinion.When there is no light, there is dark; When there is no dark, there is light; When there is both dark and light, there is Bendu
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 00:32Personally, it's a case by case situation. Overall they should be recognized as completely illegal for purposes of quelling the amount of people who would try to make them. However, if someone were to randomly make them and take them to the park and show park officials that they were safe then it's a different story.
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 02:31No.Kung Fu is about the cultivation of the spirit.
"After all, all Dragoons are stupid and lazy" -Cruz
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Hoshi Akuma
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 06:40Was looking for more constructive answers here Raf@#$tard! Guess I shoulda posted the "Raf$%^tard's need not respond" at the end.
PS. : Raf#$%tard's need not respond.When there is no light, there is dark; When there is no dark, there is light; When there is both dark and light, there is Bendu
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 07:39Okay, Hell no.
Now my reasoning:
Not only is a weapon strapped to the arm most likely going to be used punch someone, but as he has described, its going to be a blade based extension from his arm. At a foot long blades, he is going to need some kind of core in them, and as he described its going to end up being a gauntlet with foam and cores incorporated.
This is a bad idea.
If nothing else, at 2.5" each, how can you do a set of claws? You'd have massive, unwieldy and awkward blades sticking off your hand.
To have the cores safe enough to not snap when you hit someone with this (i'm talking slash now, because stab is an obvious hell no) you would need them to extend down to at least a few inches past the wrist. At this point, you have say 3 cores sticking down past someones wrist attached to a gauntlet of sorts that is going to be connecting to other people.
Sounds cool. But its going to do one of two things.
1. hurt someone because of a few reasons a. the core breaks b. due to the design, you hit someone with a weapon being backed by a fucking forearm, which will transfer far more energy to the shot than is transferred through a sword c. will be made improperly because he has been in game for 2 months and hasn't failed enough normal weapons to have a grasp on how to build good, quality, safe weapons.
2. The other option is, because it would have to be rigidly attached, this guy is going to torque/break his fucking wrist/hand.
I like the idea, i'm all for creativity, but to construct something like this, you'd have to deal with many issues, and the rulebook wont be your primary concern.
P.S. Is that good enough Hoshi? Or should I elaborate more.
P.P.S. Fuck Zumat.Kung Fu is about the cultivation of the spirit.
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 10:43Ok First, I have been in Amtgard for more than ten years, second these claws join at the elbow actually, nd third the gentelman who made them has already used them for both stabbing and slashing and they do not hurt worse than a sword hit. They actually feel just about the same. And not to mention that a pole hits harder then these do.
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 14:22he probably assumed you were new because you were asking if a dagger that bounces off the ground counts as a hit in your other thread. where have you been playing at for the last 10 + years.Dragoon Strike First. Strike Hard. No Mercy. Hús Vetra Skald IMU
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 15:24I have not been consecutive for those years but I used to fight with VSR in Longview Washington
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 16:42Grendel's right. your questions pointed me in another direction of thought rather then "oh, this guy has probably been playing a decade"Kung Fu is about the cultivation of the spirit.
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Re:Claws - 2008/05/27 21:05Don't get me wrong I don't wanna get f'ed up by these things anymore than the next guy. I was simply saying that we should be more open minded. Yes if the Idiot (And I use this term simply because you would have to be one to do this) using a claw weapon swung as if with a punch/haymaker then they not only deserve the broken wrist/hand but also to be kicked off the field. Same as we do to someone baseball swinging. I was thinking more along the lines of "Voldo"from Soul Caliber type claws not yer "Wolverine" type claws. Where as they are not necessarily strapped to the arm as much held on a handle. Again I'm gunna introduce my no stabbing rule simply because that's obviously a no no so glad we agree on that. But I think that this is something that should be at least play tested before it's shot down. And if cores break on this type of weapon it was not made safe in the first place. All the rules implemented into the rulebook started from trial and error. Ie. 2.5" diameter of weapon tips, courtesy padding, 35 lb. bows, lengths on sword striking edges. I do appreciate the more elaborate response R and would love to see more of them.When there is no light, there is dark; When there is no dark, there is light; When there is both dark and light, there is Bendu
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Re:Claws - 2008/06/02 08:48The big reason punch weapons are not allowed is because they drastically increase the odds of youa ctually punching someone.
It doesn't matter how padded or safe they are, they are still a bad idea and illegal.
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Re:Claws - 2008/06/02 16:31Well I think I/we might have a few ideas on this brewing. In the defense of this type of weapon I would like to point out again that any weapon in this game, made as safe as can be, can be dangerous if not properly monitored. Everyone's fear from what it sounds like is that some "Newb" will make a claw and make it unsafely (Which BTW most "Newb's" that show up their first day have ratherly poorly and/or unsafe and illegal weapons). Then proceed to punch with it. Ok fine but if we let into this fear constently then we wouldn't be where we're at in this game now. I'm going to put it in bold lettering this time because it seems no one is seeing it Why can't we intigrate (Sp?) a slash legal only rule to these? I know most of you are going to say "But what if he punches with it?" Then you throw his ass of the field till he can wield them safely and then you ban his or her weapon if he continues to do it after said warning. It's the same as if the person were "Baseball" swingin with a weapon or constantly was giving headshots. Either way on this I am going to attempt to make them and allow the GMR to look over it and hopefully I can cure anyones fear of "Claws (mind you claws that are slash legal not punch legal. Mind you made with the same type of tip as a normal sword.) are fun and can be made and used safely." I know we don't want every Wolverine fanboy that joins making there own and using them improperly so that's why i'm trying to them as safe as possible. Besides if a newb does make them the Reeves still have to test its construction first.
PS. I remembered a few minutes ago about the Folcwyn strap madu thread awhile back i asked about. I can quote Grendel as saying "The strap madu is legal and has multiple points of precaution/extra safety built into it. any other 'punch weapon' will be dealt with, case by case for safety, like any other equipment."
So I just wanted to point out that nowhere in the rulebook does it say you can't create Claws or even punch weapons for that matter.
Post edited by: Hoshi Akuma, at: 2008/06/02 16:32When there is no light, there is dark; When there is no dark, there is light; When there is both dark and light, there is Bendu
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Re:Claws - 2008/06/02 19:43Hoshi Akuma wrote:
So I just wanted to point out that nowhere in the rulebook does it say you can't create Claws or even punch weapons for that matter.
Well, it is rules change year...
I could actually see someone with a relatively long blade (as far as claws go) pulling off the slash only rule, I thought about it when I saw the weapons on Saw and Assassin's Creed, the ones that pop out from your forearm somehow. I'm thinking the longer blade would get rid of the punching fear because people would be focusing more on the reach, and the only real worry would be knuckles banging against each other just like any other person would do with a sword.
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