imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 00:56This is a long post, but those not interested in principality politics can stop at the first “lao z”. I encourage you to read and take part, though.
Nihao gang! It’s been a couple of weeks since my last post, but that was because I wanted to take a week off from fighting my most implacable of foes, my arch-nemesis, the internet. Now I’m back, and we have some things to discuss: First, thanks to CD for letting us come down and play with you guys, Saturday was very fulfilling and entertaining. Some of you might be interested to know that Farlore is really weak against shots that come in to his left side. Second, this Saturday (March 15) will be the “Battle of Jieqiao” (Battle of Jie Bridge). It will be, perhaps predictably, a bridge battle. Come out if you can, as it should be pretty nice. The week after that, your beloved emperor is on vacation at Spring War being hand-fed doughnuts by hookers purchased for him from the CK coffers by King Sir Arthon his own self. Week after that? Weaponmaster/Dragonmaster in DM and NH. Now, Dragonmaster is only in DM, so if you want to take a crack at it, now’s the time to start bustin’ out a bunch of Chinese-themed A & S entries. (judges will be requested to look favorably upon items that fit our loose theme) Weaponmaster, on the other hand, is being split into two days. One will be on Saturday in DM, and the other will be on Sunday in the NH. There will be some non-standard lists in this tourney. For example: non-polearm great weapon, (like 2-handed greatswords and lucern hammers and things of that nature). So get ready to rumble. Midreign: April 5th! IMD! Be there, or be mocked like your name was Loptr! I’ll see you next week, and remember, another way of saying “Apoch”, is “Ape-crotch”. That ought to shut him up. Lao z (yes, that means you can stop reading Lief. I know it’s hard for you.)
Now, on to the politics!
I’d like to preface this entire thing by saying thank you to Desert Winds and to Omaha’s principality, whatever its name is, for not being a pain in my ass. You guys rule.
As I believe in a policy of transparency, I’d like to share with you some of the dealings outside of the core IM, and give you guys a sense of what those groups are going through. As your divine representative, I strongly urge you to give us your thoughts on this, and become active in helping to direct these parks in their journey to get their own kingdoms. I’ll give you what I know (via my trip to Olympus and subsequent emails), and then I’ll give you what Cullum (an able political advisor, I’m forced to admit) thinks. Then I’ll give you what I think. Here’s what I’ve been dealing with over the past couple of weeks: The issue is Mists of Dawn’s refusal to join the Olympus principality, and their proximity to Starmount (about 8 minutes, according to people I spoke with at Throw in the Snow). There are rumors of another principality being started with North Haven (we’ll discuss them in a second) that Mists would be a part of. Olympus would like for Mists of the Dawn to participate with them in the formation of their principality. They believe it would be very beneficial for the folks there to participate with them during the creation instead of trying to come on board part way through. They do understand that if they (Mists of the Dawn) do not want to join that is completely within their right to do so. However, they feel that it if a northern principality were to be started with Mists of the Dawn as a member that it would produce detrimental damage to have one principality right on top of another principality (akin to having a kingdom with a park in another kingdom’s crown lands).
Grab your atlas, folks. No, Cullum, not that guy from IMD. Put him down. Sir Micah from Olympus sent me some suggestions; I put them to you, glorious celestial populace. (Bold is direct text from Micah, corrected only for punctuation, spelling, and some, but not all, of his atrocious Texan grammar)
I think it ultimately comes down to how far is too far? Currently the Corpora says within 500 miles from each other. I think we have all proven that that distance is too far. So the question is how far then? Do you want your parks to be all within day-trippable travel? Then what is that? If you average your travel time to 60 miles an hour, then you could travel 240 miles in 4 hours making for a round trip total of 8 hours drive time. That’s pretty extreme but doable. For an extra hour you can get 300 miles in 5 hours making for a now 10 hour round trip for most people, no way. So if the idea in creating this is to harbor the best possible environment for a kingdom to be created then you want people to be able to travel easily to one another. I’m thinking 8 hour round trip at the most and even that’s pushing it. So that puts your total distance at 240 some odd miles from one another with the give or take of no more then 300. If you look at the map there is only really a few ways for the borders to be drawn up and everyone to benefit and have the best potential to be successful. All of these options only work if everyone can come to an agreement.
Option 1: Easiest for travel and communications. This will probably take longer to get kingdoms off the ground.
Principality 1: Farthest travel CR to MN at 277mi 1. Startmount and Mists of the Dawn: Minneapolis respectively 2. Three Rivers: La Crosse 3. Olympus: Cedar Rapids 4. Borders would be: West to Des Moines, North to Minneapolis, East to Davenport (draw a box on your map).
Principality 2: Farthest travel GB to Chicago 207 mi 1. North Haven: Chicago 2. Frostlands: Green Bay 3. The rest of the RW parks surrounding the area 4. Borders would be: West to Davenport, North to Green Bay (as needed), East to Chicago (or farther depending on what they want to do)
Option 2: This option probably presents the best chance of kingdoms getting started faster. Assuming people can work together.
a. Move Starmount and Mists of Dawn to the Western Principality. Farthest drive now Omaha to Min at 379mi (Gives the Eastern Principality plenty of growth room, a little far on the distance, but more than enough numbers and people)
b. Extend Eastern Principalities boards to include West to Des Moines, North (up 35) to Minneapolis
Principality 1 Farthest Drive CR to Green Bay at 307mi (Gives this option 2 strong duchies. Drive time still may be a factor but manageable)
1. Three Rivers: La Crosse 2. Olympus: Cedar Rapids 3. North Haven: Chicago 4. Frostlands: Green Bay 5. Rest of the the RW Lands in the area 6. Borders would be: East to Cedar Rapids, North Green Bay, East to Chicago. Draw box.
Note that this configuration is likely to annoy the hell out of the western principality.
So in short what we are asking from the Monarchy of both supporting Kingdoms is to make a choice. The problem is that if we continue in the course that we continue on we are headed for only more heartache and frankly more of the crap that we have been dealing with up here since Amtgard arrived. It is now more then ever that the people here need strong leadership and to have their options laid out for them. We have tried to no avail to get people to listen and talk but instead everyone wants to do things their way and here we are.
Please decide in which configuration, you the kingdoms who sponsor us, would like to see us do and then clearly and definitively communicate your wishes to the parks involved so we can all get on the same page. We have tried over and over to work with one another but I am afraid unless there is a definitive answer nothing will change. If you don’t like the choices I understand but please provide some level of direction so we don’t have parks stepping all over each other.
Understand that these are not all-inclusive options. If you got a better one, I’d love to hear it.
The other questions for you guys are:
If Mists does not want to help in the formation of a Principality sponsored by the Iron Mountains and is well within the proposed borders, should they still be members of the Iron Mountains? (what benefit will they give or receive by maintaining individual sponsorship from the IM while existing within the borders of an IM Principality). And while I’m on this subject, why in the celestial name of the imperial fuck are these parks split? The only reason I was given when I asked at T.I.T.S was that Sirs Garik and Raphael hit too hard (being an IMD’er, this excuse irritates the heavenly piss out of me). I would have asked before this, but I have no contact information for either of those parks, and it really wasn’t a big deal until they annoyed me with this horseshit.
To Starmount and Mists: here’s your forum, guys. Make me believe.
We’ll come back to them in a bit.
Second question: Am I the only one who sees that North Haven is dead smack in the middle of a whole bunch of RW parks? (It’s only 30 min from one of their major Duchies, Phoenix Tears.) What the hell is that? There’s no geographical reason for them to be IM, as they cannot evolve under us. Once again, though, I have no contact info for them.
Here’s your chance North Haven, convince me.
Here’s what Cullum thinks, in a nutshell:
Principalities should define the core of a prospective kingdom. Thus, they should be no bigger than 150 miles from a central point.
He would support option 1, then.
Parks should be sponsored by Kingdoms that can give them the best support. Chicago should certainly be RW.
Succinct. And I appreciate that about him, on the rare occasions he is succinct.
More pressing than taking the opportunity for a cheap shot at Cullum, however, is my need to get ahold of the RW monarchy. Who is that? Does anybody know?
Here’s what I think:
Back to what we discussed before: Ideally, fuck Mists and Starmount. If my information is correct and they play that close and are split because some old BL’ers like to hit solidly, (honestly, having fought both of them many times, I’m inclined to call horseshit, those guys hit only mildly stiffly—they’re no Vigus (CK) or Kurse (BL), or even KFM (CK)—at best they’re mid-level thumpers) then Mists needs to grow a pair and start hitting back. They should be one park, and get over their petty bullshit. I have first hand experience in splitting parks and I tell you, it fucks Amtgard up in the long run. This one park should be part of the new principality (as in option 1). I’m sure I’m not being fair to one group or the other, but I could give two terra-cotta fucks less. You monkeys are only hurting Amtgard, so suck it up and make nice!
I agree with Cullum in that North Haven should be Rising Winds. We can’t support, guide, help, or even personally interact with them like the RW can. What reason did they have for requesting IM sponsorship anyway? Anybody want to tell me?
I like option 1 for the borders of the eastern principality, and we are coming up on to all-thing time. Here’s the chance for you, the populace of the core IM, to get involved. This is also the chance for you Mists people to lay your case out publicly. I’d like to hear from North Haven while we’re at it. Lao z
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 04:25Firstly, If at most no principality should be no more than 200 miles apart from a central province. But truthfully they all should be within 150. If they all have decent communication between each other and can be easily traveled to, then they all can help each other with recruiting and support. It'd also allow for more fluid communication.
Secondly, someone needs to show Mists that there is no benefit to not be part of a Principality, even if there is problems with Starmount. I'm sure they have friends in other provinces in the area that are joining this new principality being formed. So they'd be left in the dust. And on the other side, it'd be very strenuous for the IM core to communicate with them and would be far more beneficial for them to talk with the ones near them.
Thirdly, my experience with someone saying "they hit too hard" generally ends up being that someone really doesn't like someone else for some reason. Either that or their metagame doesn't quite fit with Starmount's metagame. Or, it's a mixture of both
Finally, I would really like to know as to why North Haven is currently being sponsored by the IM. There is no sense in it. The only reason why it could be is if possibly their styles and communication is far more linked to the IM parks in the area vs. RW. If that's the case it opens a whole new can of worms, however if they do communicate and play with the RW groups more than they should be able to petition RW.
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Garik
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 05:10I'm a little offended that Zumat thinks I'm only a mid-level thumper, but I can get over that. See you at Clan this year?
The bottom line with Mists of the Dawn and Starmount is that our experience levels are vastly different. Starmount has more than half its membership (ok, we're small, but still...) with more than 10 years of Amtgard experience and with various kingdoms. Mists of the Dawn is mostly high schoolers with its most experienced members being transplants from Starmount.
Now, about our park distances: our parks are separated by about 40 miles (not 8). Still problematic because we play on the same day at the same time. I know its hurt our numbers (not least because some people that apparently think Raph and I are cruel left to join Mists). Dragonspine and Burning Lands are separated by about the same distance, but they are kingdoms and Starmount and Mists don't exactly fit that mold (though there are parallels!). In any case, the 150mile rule in the contract/BL corpora are in effect precisely because that was a bad idea in the first place.
I've broached the issue of merging our parks in the past and was shot down. The reason I received was that many of the members of Mists of the Dawn are unable to travel as far as our park because their parents won't let them. Geographically speaking, I think you could make a case that there's room in the Twin Cities metro area for two parks. But having them meet on the same day and time is going to hurt both parks. Having these two parks is clearly a second-best choice, though. I'd like to see us working together with their enthusiasm and whimsical vibe merging with our experience and dedication.
At the very least, I'd like to see Mists of the Dawn in a new principality with Starmount, Olympus, and Three Rivers. When I heard Mists voted "no", I was disappointed but not surprised. I think most of the people in Mists don't know much about Amtgard at large and don't really care about anything other than showing up to their park and having fun (nothin' wrong with that!). Others in Mists know a little bit more about Amtgard at large, but are motivated more by their distaste for Starmount (we hit too hard) than anything else. I really don't think they realize what they were saying "no" to. Rather than saying "no" to Starmount, they were saying "no" to connections with nearby Amtgard groups. Connections that could benefit them in ways they don't yet comprehend. I'd like to give them a chance to clarify what they meant and re-think their decision.
Garik
ps Perhaps you can judge the maturity level that we're dealing with by noting my karma. It hurts so good...
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 06:14zumat wrote: I’d like to preface this entire thing by saying thank you to Desert Winds and to Omaha’s principality, whatever its name is, for not being a pain in my ass. You guys rule.
".....All of these options only work if everyone can come to an agreement." ....oh so true.
On the distance issue, the province farthest East (Westgate Pass) away from the center (River's End) of the Desert Winds principality is 283 miles. That makes for a long day trip, roundtrip. If our farthest province West (Desert Rose) from the center comes to play, it's a 7-8 hour trip one way. That is real hard unless you plan to stay the night or the weekend-then it's a bit easier. So I get the whole distance thing, but it is do-able.
So in short what we are asking from the Monarchy of both supporting Kingdoms is to make a choice. The problem is that if we continue in the course that we continue on we are headed for only more heartache and frankly more of the crap that we have been dealing with up here since Amtgard arrived. It is now more then ever that the people here need strong leadership and to have their options laid out for them. We have tried to no avail to get people to listen and talk but instead everyone wants to do things their way and here we are. Nothing is immutable and people can change their minds, but under the IM corpora and the BL (right?), if the core of the principality is Cedar Rapids, then anything under 150 miles is within their purview if they make it to kingdom. Anything or anyone outside of that has options ......including....freehold status-assuming they want to do their own thing under direct BL sponsorship and rule. That is an option so's long as they don't violate the 150 rule, yes?
Under the Desert Winds corpora, the core groups outside of the 150 radius are set as core because they agreed to be so. A new group looking for sponsorship outside of that 150 area, technically doesn't have to be a part of DW, even if it may be in their best interest-assuming the BL will allow them to be a freehold or that they could find a kingdom willing to sponsor them depending on their proximity to DW.
It doesn't mean that because Mists does not want to join NOW, that Starmount, their neighbors can't be a part of the Olympus principality if that is their wish. It also doesn't mean that Olympus or Starmount can't go visit folks in Mists and say hi, regardless of their official status as a freehold or a part of the new principality or another principality or a different kingdom. Mists may decide in the future that their best interest for support DOES come from Olympus (and IM, Starmount?) because those are the people who are the friendliest, the easiest to communicate with and get a response from, that, in the spirit of cooperation, they are willing to help each other polish the rough edges and accept the good with the bad. Then again, maybe not.
Once the Olympus & Co. principality gets closer to petitioning Kingdom and show they have their act together, then maybe the relationship dynamic between all the groups will have evolved to the point that is no longer a drawn in the sand thing and they can work it out. If that doesn't occur, there may be alot more external pressure to work it out or else....play a different game....and the end result is.... they work it out. If the hang up is one place, I say move forward without them if all other issues and factors are good to go. Let them decide which way they want to hang their hat and not hold up the line.
NOT a core province member, but interested in principalities and their success under the IM.
Disclaimer: I have no political, historical or subjective lenses readily available to look through at this thing which may lend some objectivity. Being in a fellow IM sister principality drives the motivation. Feel free to take it or leave it.
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Garik
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 14:39Sindari,
You are right on with practically all you say. It is possible to have things work with larger distances, but large distances really inhibit the travel that's necessary to foster community within a confederacy. If you look at the vibrant kingdom-level confederacies in Amtgard you'll notice this trend. Iron Mountains has a relatively compact set of core lands within 150 miles of Denver that are all close enough to one another to daytrip. Emerald Hills is a set of parks that are (almost) all within the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex. Very "daytrippable". That Desert Winds has been able to build and maintain such connections with the distances involved is a testament to your dedication.
However, waiting for a group to come around is usually a long (interminable) wait. I'm sure members of Mists of the Dawn are waiting for us in Starmount to "come around" to the fact that we are mean-spirited seal clubbers.
I want Amtgard to work well up here in the north. I think it's going to take some action, though, to make it work. Leaving a group alone to figure it out for themselves is a recipe for maintaining the status quo or having the insular negativity spiral out of control. I hope Zumat's call to action starts the process that brings us together.
Garik
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 14:40Just for the record.. I do have horrible grammer..
Anyway just so everyone is clear about what was quoted from me.. these were just ideas nothing more.. I did not speak to anyone from the other parks or even my park to see if it would be an agreeable thing. Certainly any ideas that the core came up with would be greatly appreciated I am sure, but would still need to be confirmed by the proposed and actual principalities that they would effect.
I feel strongly that in order to quickly overcome a miss understanding about what it means to be sponsored by the Iron Mountains or to be a member of a Kingdom/Principality that despite the combined amtgard experience available in this area the only way people will listen is if they here it from all of you.. Why.. b/c you have been there.. most of you have played for a very very long time and know what it means and what it is all about.
I believe that as IM parks fighting to build a new kingdom WE should bind together and it sadens me that when we get this going another IM park b/c of some failures to communicate properly with one another turns us down. I beg for Mists to reconsider and help us build something wounderful!
Honestly.. I feel bad for North Haven that they were ever accepted into a IM. Not b/c of the people there but b/c someone didnt look at a map and what was around them before they said yes. Perhaps then it was different then it is now. They have 2 major RW duchies near to them and combined they are primed to have a successful principality and kingdom! In my most honest opinion the IM *or any kingdom for that matter* should not have and should not continue to foster the idea of sponsoring parks within another kingdoms territory (area surrounded by RW parks).
North Haven has a bright future if they are willing to make it work.
If my best thoughts were to become a reality I ask the IM and the people here or the people in other kingdoms who happen to read this..
Leave the Western Principality as it is! They have managed their size well and are growing and will be a proud jewel for the IM and for themselves.
Please change the 500 mile thing please! I suggest 300 miles.
Sponsor a new Principality creating a corridor North to South for Olympus, Mists of the Dawn, Dark Shores (formerly Three Rivers sorry Gear), and Starmount
and while this sounds far fetched and I am not sure if they are even wanting to pursue this I would ask, plead, beg, for the IM to consider either sponsoring or working with the RW to have them sponsor a 3rd principality to include North Haven, Phonix Tears, Frostlands, and the several other RW parks near to that area.
There you have it.. like it, or hate it is up to you.. All I can do is look at it as if I was someone not involved and using my experience formulate an opinion and equation that works only assuming that people can work past there personal issues to do something for the greater good and the growth and prosperity of Amtgard.Micah Rogers Raiders To accomplish great things, we must dream as well as act. -Anatole France
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 14:43I can't agree more!
People who have opened lines of communication and have made honest attempts to resolve differences have tried and we have been called
"Evil" "Puppet Masters" "False Knights" and worse...
I would hope that any park claming to be sponsored by the IM or affiliated would proudly take up the banner and help with the formation of a principality and kingdom when called on, and if you can't do that then why would you want to remain sponsorsed by a kingdom that you wont support?Micah Rogers Raiders To accomplish great things, we must dream as well as act. -Anatole France
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Garik
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 16:14Here's some information on North Haven's history with the Iron Mountains.
North Haven had some bad experiences at Rising Winds events and didn't (and don't) want to be associated with that kingdom. North Haven has indicated that one of the major selling points to them was the Iron Mountains corpora. In any case, North Haven petitioned the Rosetta Pact Principality and was accepted by mutual consent of Yoto (Prince) and Teleri (Prime Minister). The Emperor at the time was either Kord or Artimus to give you a time frame. They are within the 500 mile limit stated in the corpora (470 miles or so) and everything was done correctly regarding procedure. I was skeptical about bringing them in because of the distance, but we in Starmount had just been brought in to the principality ourselves so I took a laissez-faire approach. I should have been more proactive. Lesson learned.
North Haven is a fine group, but they are geographically isolated from their sister parks in the IM at the same time they are politically isolating themselves from the Rising Winds parks nearby. This may be changing now since they are looking north to Frostlands and getting along there. I think that's a really good sign.
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 17:14micahm wrote: Leave the Western Principality as it is! They have managed their size well and are growing and will be a proud jewel for the IM and for themselves.
Agreed.
Sponsor a new Principality creating a corridor North to South for Olympus, Mists of the Dawn, Dark Shores (formerly Three Rivers sorry Gear), and Starmount
Deja vu all over again.
Reading all of this, I'm in WTF mode. Creating a Principality is up to ya'll to work out. We can't force Mists to be members. We can boot them, we can allow them to remain an IM group but not a part of the Principality, but we can't force them to choose to join with ya'll. We also can't hold your (or their) Althings for them, we can't put the Principality packet together for you... I'm sort of at a loss as to what you expect to accomplish here. Are we just hoping they'll see the light and change their minds with more input? Why are we rewinding to eight months ago?
and while this sounds far fetched and I am not sure if they are even wanting to pursue this I would ask, plead, beg, for the IM to consider either sponsoring or working with the RW to have them sponsor a 3rd principality to include North Haven, Phonix Tears, Frostlands, and the several other RW parks near to that area.
This has been looked at. Several times. Over a couple of years, now. By multiple core officers. Thus far we've heard that RW doesn't oppose a Principality out there, but they don't want to be the ones administering it... Jalea argued at Summer Trials that someday in the future a Principality with Frostlands might be possible, but not now... hell, it's the core who was most in favor of it, from what I saw/heard/was told, and the groups themselves who weren't ready/willing to take that leap at the time. Maybe they've since changed their minds, who knows? Do we have anyone from Frostlands/North Haven/etc. who can tell us where things stand in their heads at the moment?Tal
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 17:20Garik wrote: ps Perhaps you can judge the maturity level that we're dealing with by noting my karma. It hurts so good...
good point.
-230 for only 10 posts?
my squire might be upset if you break his record, and you're not even trying!
from my understandings with discussion with Takezu (who plays at Mists occassionally) I'm leaning towards option 1.
and I think the 2 groups should either play together (which seems more difficult) and if not that, then play on different days so both parks can become stronger play together, work together, overcome your difficulties. grow as people, grow as a park. you'll never be strong if you run from difficulty or differences
not directed towards anyone specifically, just the groups in general,
nobody wants to be cartman (screw you guys I'm going home!) so try getting to know each other, once you get past the "us" and "them" you'll probably find lots of similarities & interests, perhaps even make a new friend.
this seperation feels too much like giving up to me. we don't have agree and be best friends with everybody in the game but don't run away when you could at least stand up for yourself and get a discussion. you can't change the world in your hobbit hole.
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edit: (oh, and I'm all for keeping the Desert Winds as is. just talking future principalities, specifically the area in question.)
Post edited by: Grendel, at: 2008/03/11 19:46Dragoon Strike First. Strike Hard. No Mercy. Hús Vetra Skald IMU
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 17:47Tal your right!
All hat has to be done by the people here.. and you can't force people to play together.. but you can give some direction b/c you do have some influence b/c the rest of us here have tried to get the point accross by what its all about but aren't being heard.
No matter what happens or what Mists does or doesnt do or what happens with NH. We are moving forward. Our packet is in Starmount, Olympus, and Dark Shores are moving forward and I am certain that all the people involved will bust their ass to become a successful kingdom and in the end thats all that matters.
But with the help and direction from the IM using your vast experience and time in this game as an established successful kingdom perhaps now would be an excellent time to lend some strong advice to some folks that struggle with the concept of what its all about. You don't have to always agree or like the people you work with or play with but remeber that its not just you working or playing either.
And yes bluntly and frankly from a personal stand point as I have made very clear I feel that keeping NH as a sponsored park of the IM with its existance and proximity to other RW parks is a mistake. This thought is for no personal reason what so ever but rather b/c I have seen how "park poaching" by other kingdoms can be a very dangerouse thing. Not only to mention the complete in-ability for the IM to really support NH or visa versa.
I also do have an issue with any IM park that would turn down a chance to particiapte in the formation of a new kingdom with other IM parks when they are dead smack in the proposed crown lands. If I was a populace member of that park I would be left asking myself why am I a member of the IM when we wont even support our other IM parks?
Harsh no punches pulled and I am sure and expect to be flammed for this but I would rather people know bluntly my thoughts then to keep em caged up and us never get anywhere.
I am sure that no matter what happens that the future of Amtgard in the Midwest is bright and am glad to be apart of it no matter what! I will bend and compromise to help and work with anyone putting aside all personal difference to get this thing going.. so there it is my door is open come on in.
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Post edited by: micahm, at: 2008/03/11 19:01Micah Rogers Raiders To accomplish great things, we must dream as well as act. -Anatole France
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 20:37As always I am more the willing to take any ideas to the MOTD park and pitch them.It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. --Aristotle
Patriotism: The willing act of putting one's life & well being at risk for politicians who are not similarly disposed.
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 21:08The following are excerpts from the Mists List that should display why there is a problem.
************************************************************* Well in my opinion it all comes down to the parks decision. And, on the note of the two parks in different kingdoms. My duke has tried getting hold of people from starmount about forming a northern kingdom. You guys either didn't care or don't like the idea. Either way would have been fine but you guys didn't respond. And Frostlands is working for a northern kingdom that will span from northern Indiana (PWN) to MN (Mists) with Frostlands being the center. Currently we frostys have every thing needed for kingdom except a corpora and numbers. And were a dutchy with all of this and have had these (BOD, account, etc...) sense we were a barony. We are being supported by the RW. But we are probably not going to do it through a principality. Right now we are looking into the idea of a grand dutchy.
My two cents Agustus Champion of Frostlands **************************************************************
Perhaps I can be of some assistance in clearing up some confusion on this. First of all, The Frost Lands is in Oshkosh, a 45-minute drive from Green Bay. Crimson Circle, roughly the same size as the Frost Lands, is in Green Bay. Crimson Circle was founded by former Frost Lands members to expand the game and bring Amtgard a little closer to home.
The Frost Lands has ambitions to start a kingdom centered around Northeast Wisconsin. Mists of the Dawn has been, as far as I understand it, a participant in those plans. Crimson Circle is not, as of right now, an active participant in this endeavor.
This is only part of the problems.. instead of talking w/ us as a fellow IM park we never even knew that there was a legitimate idea for a kingdom to form in the north. Perhaps now the best thing is to sponsor a principality or let them go for kingdom with WI and MN and Olympus can form with NH and start that sorta have a north and south..
but until now no on had said anything even to the Imperials. This is all abouw what is going to be most successfull and get everything going not personal pardon the expression horse crap. Is it the best option who knows but here we had 2 major things in planning stages that if this never came up would step all over each other.
Is there a solution? I hope so.
Who's to say NH would even want to join with Olympus? Who knows.. but at some point some where to get everything going we have to come to an agreement for the future of amtgard in the midwest.
FYI: Mists email list can be found at in case you want to go read more. Amtgard-MistsoftheDawn@yahoogroups.comMicah Rogers Raiders To accomplish great things, we must dream as well as act. -Anatole France
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Garik
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/11 21:54It's the first I've heard of a northern kingdom as well, Micah. And I'm sheriff of Starmount. I don't know who Frostlands has been trying to contact. It's not like Bangor and I don't interact on E-sam. It's hard to imagine that they've tried very hard to contact us, given that.
Garik
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zumat
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Re:imperial weekend report: now with 300% bonus content - 2008/03/12 00:10> I'm a little offended that Zumat thinks I'm only a mid-level thumper, but I can get over that. See you at Clan this year?
no disrespect intended, sir. i only referred to power used, not skill level. clan will be a definite maybe. if i do make it, however, i'll buy you a beer as an apology. sound good?
i've heard from starmount (garik), i've heard from olympus (micah), i've even heard from Desert Winds (thank you, sindari), but i have yet to hear from the group in question. any takers out there? because i have to admit, i'm leaning toward punting (via all-thing or however we have to do it) that group out of the IM if they don't flip around and play ball. i am too damned old for this shit.
but here is your chance to make your case. given to you by the emperor and the internet (during one of their rare "cease fires")
we're listening.
z
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