Question - 2006/06/30 10:31Someone told me the other day that as a healer I can start my heal chant all by myself and time it so that the wounded person runs by my circle of protection when I'm finishing the chant. As long as I touch them when the spell completes, they're healed.
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Grendel
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Re:Question - 2006/06/30 11:24the spell says "touch person and state: (the heal spell)"
so that would not be a valid heal, you have to touch them, then state the spell.
now you could always use an extend heal as long as they are within 20 feet at the end of the spell it will workDragoon Strike First. Strike Hard. No Mercy. Hús Vetra Skald IMU
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cio cio
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Re:Question - 2006/06/30 11:49That's what I said. Thanks for gettin' my back!
They were referring to this:
"The target of magic must be in range at the time the spell is completed in order for it to count."
And saying - if the range is touch, they just have to be touched when the spell is completed. Since the spell says specifically, touch person and, I think that means ya gotta be touching the entire time.
Post edited by: cio cio, at: 2006/06/30 12:00
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Hoshi Akuma
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Re:Question - 2006/06/30 12:05right unless you have heal extend which only requires you to point at the person that is 20 ft. awayWhen there is no light, there is dark; When there is no dark, there is light; When there is both dark and light, there is Bendu
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Hoshi Akuma
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Re:Question - 2006/06/30 12:09well on top of this the spell can only affect someone inside the circle and i'm not sure if the reaching out part counts as exiting the cirlce or not but that would not only get rid of your COP but it would also stop the heal spell. So no you can't use your heal on someone outside the COP. Regardless if you have Heal Extend or not.When there is no light, there is dark; When there is no dark, there is light; When there is both dark and light, there is Bendu
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Rewth
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Re:Question - 2006/06/30 12:53i can't quite go solely with grendel's idea that the incant requires the touch first, there isn't anything to support that the incants stages have to be performed in order. merely that they have to all be accomplished. that said, it's a pretty damn good idea in my book.
the extend heal doesn't work either. explained in a moment.
hoshi ultimately hit on the main problem...
Person(s)/item(s) inside can't harm or be harmed by anyone outside the circle, nor can they cast magic that affects anyone or anything outside the circle.
note the last part. if you are in the circle, you can't cast magic that affects anything outside it. so you cna't heal someone from inside, nor can you extend a spell to effect someone outside while you remain inside.
follow this up with: Magic in the process of being cast inside the circle is broken when the circle is broken
so you can't begin casting while inside then step out to finish it (especially since moving breaks most spells anyway).
which basiclaly leaves us without the CoP in the equation at all, unless you bring them into it, recast the cop and then begin your heal. or, you leave the cop, then begin casting.
now, in that last part... can you begin the incant before you touch them, provided that you touch them before hte incant is compelte.
thats a grey area. most spells requirethat upon completion of the incant, all other conditions are met (line of site and the requirements on swords to plowshares come to mind). and those set some precedence that as long as you complete the touch prior to completing hte incant, all is kosher. however, looking through all the othermagics, you can pretty easily infer taht the order is important to the incants (note most hte fixed enchantments).
so... i think, until further evidence is presented, i'm gonna side with no, this isn't legal. o nthe grounds of order ofthe incant combined with the "abusing a grey area for an advantage" cop out."But right now I'm a little concerned about my pants, since I don't know where they are." - Valathina Nailo
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Khanar
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Re:Question - 2006/06/30 13:47This question came about last week when we had a RW visitor. He told me that he often started a heal chant, made it last as long as necessary, and then when a teammate took an arm, the team mate would circle back, the healer would speed up the chant, connect with touch for the end of the spell, and off the teammate would run into the fray. I liked the idea, but had forgotten the part of the heal spell description that said to touch first.
The COP part was my own way of trying to devious the "touch and go" scenario. Thanks for cleaning up my mess, Rewth!
We have always played that you must have touch contact for the entire spell.Khanar Ekorn-Svarta
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